Curse

Mr Pink57 · May 20, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Genrally I say casters should look more into Sabs setups vs this. Standard physicals only really benefit truely here.

Now I have see the rit build and the necro build but still a 60AL up front is still not a good idea. I am sure a lot of devastation will come especially at places like Frostmaw.

Meanwhile I just took these guys to shards of orr with zero deaths and hex heavy setup, I also dropped the ward for "Don't Trip."

pink

Kerwyn Nasilan · May 22, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Looks like Sabway may be moving down a slot to me necro GG Racthoh!

DarkSpirit · May 22, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

Genrally I say casters should look more into Sabs setups vs this. Standard physicals only really benefit truely here.

Agree in principle, but look at the current OP, there are SY builds for necro and suggestions for Rits as well.

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Now I have see the rit build and the necro build but still a 60AL up front is still not a good idea. I am sure a lot of devastation will come especially at places like Frostmaw.

I think the necro build is using a wand or a spear.

Kerwyn Nasilan · May 23, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Using with a SY War. Hench monks seem incapable to kepp me alive and when i go down so does everything else. Also Morgahn seems to be using chants to often never has adreniline for stunnig when i need to shut down a monk. I have found Sabway to be more effective.

DarkSpirit · May 23, 2008, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan

Using with a SY War. Hench monks seem incapable to kepp me alive and when i go down so does everything else. Also Morgahn seems to be using chants to often never has adreniline for stunnig when i need to shut down a monk. I have found Sabway to be more effective.

Maybe replace stunning with incoming?

Jongal · May 23, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Anyone has an idea where I can find 15AL Req7 Shields. I can only find a crafter for 13AL Req7 at blacktide den.

Richardt · May 24, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Jongal

Anyone has an idea where I can find 15AL Req7 Shields. I can only find a crafter for 13AL Req7 at blacktide den.

Either from a drop or buy one.

Mr Pink57 · May 24, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Maybe replace stunning with incoming?

At the spec suggested for command etc its only about 3 sec, but I see where you are coming on this. I would say maybe try Finale of Restoration over Spear of Redemption.

pink

Crassus Praetor · May 24, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04

I removed Focused anger and used Stunning Strike
allowing Stunning to be removed on the hero.

I put on Finale of Restoration and Incoming to test them.
Finale is somewhat inconsistent, although it sure heals a lot
and I think it's a very good choice or at least a variant.

"Incoming!" didn't seem to make much of a difference as there
are so many things flying about the effects monitor I never
noticed it up but it did trigger Finale well with its short duration.

I prefer Stunning to Focused Anger on human mainly because
dedicating my elite slot and 1/4 of the bar to adren. gain
just isn't for me and isn't noticeable (I generally seem to overlap them too

),
also it frees up the "commandagon"'s elite if needed.

On another note I'm having great problems with it on Zen Daijun HM
with the Main setups, 4man and Hex Heavy all tried. Using the
monk and warrior henchmen, any ideas?

War My Guild · May 25, 2008, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Anyone gonna answer me on what runes/insigs each hero needs?

shru · May 25, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

I think the necro build is using a wand or a spear.

Necro build uses a 10% furious spear and a shield offhand

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Maybe replace stunning with incoming?

Solution:micro stunning
as incoming is actualy a horrible choice as a "SY" spammer (you already have near perm 85% damage reduction versus non armor ignoring damage, what's 3-5sec of 50% reductiuon every 20sec going to do for you?)

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Originally Posted by Crassus Praetor

I removed Focused anger and used Stunning Strike
allowing Stunning to be removed on the hero.

I prefer Stunning to Focused Anger on human mainly because
dedicating my elite slot and 1/4 of the bar to adren. gain
just isn't for me and isn't noticeable (I generally seem to overlap them too

),
also it frees up the "commandagon"'s elite if needed.

How is it that a perm 100%+ adrin gain isn't noticeable for you?

IMO, bad idea. You're job is to spam "SY", overlapping is actually a good sign, it mean your team has the buff consistently.
I have a hard time believing you can maintain "SY" 100% with out FA,
You're better off microing stunning on your hero.
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Originally Posted by War My Guild

Anyone gonna answer me on what runes/insigs each hero needs?

Paras=Cinturion/survivors insigs+minor runes for w/e attributes you're specced into+highest vigor you can afford+vitae runes on any open spots
Dervs=windwalker insigs+minor runes for w/e attributes you're specced into+highest vigor you can afford+vitae runes on any open spots

Crassus Praetor · May 25, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34

High Kurzick rank and I'm using spear of fury due to low vanguard rank also overlapping them is just counter-productive but yep, it always seems to be up without focused anger

shru · May 25, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Crassus Praetor

High Kurzick rank and I'm using spear of fury due to low vanguard rank also overlapping them is just counter-productive but yep, it always seems to be up without focused anger

Even at 5 vanguard, the battle standard should be adding at the very minimum 25 dps. (this would be if it were just you+your 2 paras in the ward with you, and condsiders 5sec dowtime+1sec cast time) where as it's easy to recieve a combined buff of well over 100 extra dps with the ward effecting not just your phys attacks, but wanding, spells, of your henchmen and even allies attacks. Hell it turns the packet damage of pulsing AoE spells into absolute wrecking balls.
A low rank like r5 should be easy to obtain through the duration of the EotN campaign, and well justifies the usage of the skill over spear of fury (which I view as the lazy man's imbagon.)

Mr Pink57 · May 26, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by War My Guild

Anyone gonna answer me on what runes/insigs each hero needs?

I put centurions on paras and windwalkers on derv. You can see by the first page what runes you need.

pink

War My Guild · May 26, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Kay, since the first post has nothing about runes, insigs or even weaponry(except for the player and the Orders), I decided to compile what you need:

Firstly, the player needs a minor in: Spear Mastery, Command and Leadership, with the Spear Mastery going onto the +1 headpiece. Also, trying to find a r7 Command shield is a pain. Take one out of Spear Mastery and raise Command to 9 and buy a r9 Command shield, preferably with a +30hp mod. For this, I bought the Shield of the Condemned, a nice, not too rare shield on the market which fits this perfectly. The only downside of the Condemned shield is it doesn't have an I see clear now inscription, but that's minor. Centurion insigs on all. I would recommend attunements or vigor for the open rune spots.

The orders: Minors in: Wind Prayers and Mysticism (Myst. on the headpiece). Windwalkers on all. As stated, a staff that cuts casting time.

Stunning Striker: Stygian Spear = Gold for this hero. Minors in Leadership, command and spear mastery, with Spear mastery on the headpiece. Centurions on all. r9 Command shield is a must, preferably with I can see clearly now and +30hp mod.

The SoP Para: This is the only hero in this team that can get a Motivation shield, and it doesn't even need to be r9! Minors in Leadership, Motivation and Spear Mastery. Motivation on headpiece. Centurions on all. r9-r12 Motiv shield with fortitude mod.

The only real problem I'm having is finding a spear for the SoP para...

ScythXIII · May 26, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by War My Guild

The only real problem I'm having is finding a spear for the SoP para...

Really, any Perfect Furious spear of Whatever (Fortitude is standard) should work. Or Erasklion's Spear if you really want longer deep wounds (though, honestly, 16 seconds is more than enough for most mobs).

Racthoh · May 26, 2008, 06:41 AM // 06:41

Sundering Spears, runes you can figure out from the pictures, insignias should be obvious, shield mods either +10 vs. slashing/fire.

Crassus Praetor · May 26, 2008, 12:25 PM // 12:25

Oh sir yes sir, at the moment my Vanguard rank is 1 so I'll just keep being "lazy"

I'm not saying EBSoH is bad, far from it but it's bad for me at my stupidly low rank, whilst my Kurzick rank is high. Anyway I still feel the same way about using 1/4 of my bar for adren. gain but that might change if/when I get Vanguard to a usable level.

IMO, the way I use it works, keeps up "SY!" and is a personal preference

I Will Heal You Ally · May 27, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Hey. I'm wondering if you got an ele setup SY! player? or with ursan

DarkSpirit · May 27, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Crassus Praetor

Oh sir yes sir, at the moment my Vanguard rank is 1 so I'll just keep being "lazy"

I'm not saying EBSoH is bad, far from it but it's bad for me at my stupidly low rank, whilst my Kurzick rank is high. Anyway I still feel the same way about using 1/4 of my bar for adren. gain but that might change if/when I get Vanguard to a usable level.

IMO, the way I use it works, keeps up "SY!" and is a personal preference

I use Spear of Fury too and my Vanguard rank is only 3 after completing the game. I hate to have to farm more.

Anyway, since I run a more defensive version of the team build in tougher areas in HM, there is not much use for EBSoH. I prefer to be able to keep SY up more often.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=343

The reason why I seperated Dark Fury and OOP onto different heroes is because if I put both into the D/N, the D/N would be too busy casting both of them to heal effectively or vice versa.